[ED (Seth): This was published early yesterday afternoon, and then the site had to be reset, so we're republishing now.]
We almost needed an "other than Solomon" caveat. [Tony Morano/247]
SIGNING DAY ROUNDTABLE 2017
Brian: uh... so do we have an "other than Gary?" caveat this year?
Ace: I don’t think so. multiple ridiculous croots.
BiSB: Agreed
Brian: All right then
BEST RECRUIT
Ace: I’m as high on Donovan Peoples-Jones as anyone after following him at Cass Tech for years. That said, Aubrey Solomon’s highlight tape is on another level. He’s going to be a monster.
David:DPJ. Highest ranked. Fills a massive need. And from a local pipeline.
BiSB: Recency bias, but did you see the things Aubrey Solomon did to those poor damn high schoolers? Such a quick first step, and he arrives with a level of violence we probably shouldn't condone as a society. He's also a big symbolic get, being a 5-star from Georgia with offers from every SEC school. Satellite camps FTW.
Brian: While Solomon and Peoples-Jones are both correct answers, I think Cesar Ruiz is also correct. I can't remember the last time a center recruit ended up so high in the rankings; multiple services raved about him at both the Opening and the Army game, where he took on and defeated the best the country has to offer. At least two of them said he was the best center prospect in a decade. He might be a sure thing in a spot where not even Patrick Kugler is a sure thing.
David: I refused to watch the Solomon tape, as I heeded the Harris warning. But...now I can!
Seth: I haven't watched the Solomon tape yet because I already watched the Harris tape this year and my therapist says not to put myself at risk...dammit David.
Brian: The Solomon tape is ridiculous. I was trying to add some variety to the answers but it's Solomon. He is Malik McDowell after the Wizard of Oz gives him a heart.
Ace: And we should note that DPJ is ridiculous, too. Solomon is just on a different level of ridiculous.
[Hit THE JUMP for Most Important, NOTY, Sleepers, and much more.]
MOST IMPORTANT
Brian: Let's just get this out of the way: other than Aubrey Solomon.
Seth: I don't know if [whichever offensive lineman starts] is an answer but at least one and up to three of them could.
Ace: Michigan is in desperate need of tackles, so I’d say either Chuck Filiaga or Andrew Stueber. Filiaga has the recruiting accolades but may need some time to put it together. Stueber is going to surprise people.
David: I guess this is where I say Cesar Ruiz. M will definitely need a OL starter from this class next year and Ruiz has as good a shot as any. Brian mentioned his almost unprecedented ranking for a center. Possibly a 4 year starter. Getting Ruiz was as 'whew'-inducing as anyone, I think.
Brian: Ambry Thomas wins for me because he brings two things to the table. One: he's an outstanding prospect in a secondary that loses its top five players. Two: he was widely reputed a Michigan State lean early, attended State-favoring King, and Michigan brought him in anyway. That's their biggest theft from State since Lamarr Woodley and set the tone for an unprecedented in-state blowout.
BiSB: You can make a case for Luiji Vilain as well. Michigan needed a pure edge rusher, especially if Josh Uche is going to be a linebacker permanently.
Seth: There's something to be said for Jaylen Kelly-Powell here. Michigan effectively has three safety positions they want to put on the field at any moment and right now the field is "thank God for Tyree Kinnel," "glad that 3-star from Devin Bush's school looked good," and "yay Glasgows!"
Ace: JKP could play that VIPER spot. He’s a good choice.
BEST GIFT TO UNWRAP IN THREE YEARS
BiSB: Dylan McCaffrey. NEXT
Ace: He’s got a lot ahead of him on the running back depth chart, but O’Maury Samuels is an absurd athlete. He’ll be a home-run threat every time he touches the ball. He could take some time to acclimate to the level of competition. Once he does, watch out.
Brian: Benjamin St Juste. St Juste has been playing against guys wielding hockey sticks for the duration of his career and will take significant time to adjust to college. Once he does you're talking about a 6'3" guy who has a Jourdan Lewis-caliber shuttle. He's got insane upside.
Ace: Man, I would’ve said St-Juste, but I think he sees the field sooner than that.
David: Maybe Kwity Paye. Don Brown recruit with a lower profile. Plenty of buzz around him being undervalued. Probably not a guy that contributes too much too early, but has more potential as his career unfolds.
Seth: He may see the field way sooner but James Hudson sounds vastly underrated at "top 250 DT" and the same could be said for Donovan Jeter. Give them two years under the cruel tutelage of Mattison and I think we'll be relatively comfortable with Gary heading to the NFL.
BEST NAME (NATIONALLY)
Brian: Other than KOBE BUFFALOMEAT
Ace: KOBE BUFFALOMEAT DIBS oh goddammit
Brian: I think it's still KOBE BUFFALOMEAT even with the disclaimer that it can't be him.
David: Obviously.
BiSB: A late entry from Wrangler Haresnape
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— Buffalo Football (@WTAMUFootball) February 1, 2017
(Bonus points for the stache)
Brian: Good lord.
Ace: It’s not quite on the level of the above, but Octavius Pringle is pretty great.
Brian: I enjoyed Brelin Faison-Walden because nobody in the history of college football has ever sounded more like a viscount.
David: Obligatory Major Tennison reference.
Seth: When Michigan starts looking at guys I put them in my spreadsheet, so every update I do a search for Chaz Ah You and get upset all over again they I won't get to yell "AH YOOOOOOU!" after a bone-jarring hit.
Brian: As far as Michigan's class goes it's Luiji Vilain by a mile. I look forward to repeatedly posting Luigi mean mugs.
Ace: It’s definitely Vilain, though I think our long-time familiarity with him has made us underappreciate the greatness of the name Donovan Peoples-Jones.
BiSB: Obviously Michigan's strongest class of hyphens in years. Maybe ever.
David: The double plural is fantastic.
GUY WHO GOT AWAY WHO WILL HAUNT YOU FOREVER
Ace: You already know.
Seth: Gyah.
Ace: Don’t watch the tape.
David: Next.
Ace: Though, actually, for the purposes of team need, it’s Isaiah Wilson.
Brian: I thought you might be referring to Isaiah Wilson and the hello post that now lives in the sad unpublished hello post graveyard.
Ace: Ugh. I was referring to Najee Harris but that may tip the scales.
Brian: Wilson was brutal especially because we knew behind the scenes that he had been a silent forever.
Ace: Also: he’s a very mobile house.
Brian: Also I put him in 27 Tickets. I have to stop doing that.
Ace: SERIOUSLY.
David: Watching Alex Leatherwood block for "The Tape" will not be fun, either.
Adam: Just sat down in Crisler. Really glad this is the question I jump in on.
Ace: grandpa simpson dot gif
Seth: Somehow I was prepared for both of those more than I pretend to be. I knew the moment Harbaugh decided to break the Mason-DIxon rule that we'd lose out on some guys who were in.
BiSB: The number of offensive linemen Michigan missed on will be a sore spot, with Wilson, Leatherwood, and Tedarrell Slaton leading the list.
Seth: Slaton I never got into.
Ace: Red flags popped up for him early.
Brian: The absence of a plug-and-play five-star or near five-star OT recruit is pretty much the only problem with the class so Wilson, Leatherwood, and Jedrick Wills are all candidates.
Wilson hurts the most because he was the closest to being in the class.
David: I think Willie Gay would have been nice just to break the 49 state limit.
Brian: Yeah, also I could get behind Peppers 2.0.
Ace: Yeah, he would’ve been the ideal VIPER, and one that could’ve potentially started right away.
Brian: Somehow losing him to Mississippi State is less painful than LSU.
Ace: Yes, black hole mitigates the disappointment.
David: I would have put him for "Most Important"
Brian: For crystal ball purposes this is every potential fifth DB we sort of tried to flip and then backed off of.
Seth: In non-ESS EEE SEE battles, I see the sites dropped AJ Dillon since he flipped to BC, but anyone who looked closely at him saw the kind of talent that, well, you don't want to see wasting away at Boston College.
GUY YOU'RE MOST IRRATIONALLY ENTHUSED ABOUT
Seth: ST JUSTE ST JUSTE ST JUSTE
Brian: can i say 2018 Aussie man-mountain Daniel Faalele
Seth: Wait he even has a hyphen. ST-JUSTE.
Ace: We need to set a standard here because everyone in this class is good.
Seth: That is rational enthusiasm.
Brian: Gentleman you think will exceed his composite ranking.
Ace: Andrew Stueber, easily. He’s impressively polished for a high school tackle. If he played in a football-centric state he’s a no-doubt four-star.
BiSB: Still Khaleke Hudson. But if we're sticking with this class, Joel Honigford.
David:
Brian: Stueber is a guy who ESPN had fresh eyes on when he committed and he's a solid four star to them already. Scout too.
Ace: We said composite!
Brian: I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying that a couple of the sites that paid attention at the right time are optimistic and the others not so much.
Seth: I'm at 1 minute in the Aubrey Solomon tape now and since ESPN forgot to update their rankings there's some room between where he's at and the top shelf to explore.
Ace: Also James Hudson is a four-star but he’s Willie Henry with a year head-start on technique progression.
Brian: I still think it's James Hudson even after 24/7 shot him to the fringe of the top 100. That tape isn't Solomon's but it's not that far off. Dude is huge and explosive. Boy how much would we have hated shipping him to MSU at this juncture.
David: Aren't they full?
Brian: Not only would he be their top croot he'd be replacing some guy ranked in the 2500s.
Ace: His junior- to senior-year progression is reminiscent of Taco Charlton.
Adam: Jaylen Kelly-Powell may be a composite four-star, but I think he's far better than the 266th best player in the country. His versatility is impressive. He held his own when matched up against Ambry Thomas, which is worth noting considering the buzz around Thomas as a two-way guy.
Brian: That's interesting because you saw Cass in person a couple times and various folks are down on JKP. One of them is Comparoni so lol, but also Rivals in general.
Ace: Which, also, lol. They’ve had some bad misses in the region of late.
Seth: I've got two cheats on this one. Brad Hawkins was dropped to #420 because he went to prep, but his prep film is noticeably better than his high school film--I think he's at least in range of the other 4-star receivers Michigan got this year (I kept him at last year's ratings in my spreadsheet).
The other cheat is Kurt Taylor, who willed his way onto the Michigan football team despite a national ranking that's only marginally better than the last five Michigan State commits.
Brian: Hawkins is a good one.
FAVORITE THING ABOUT THE CLASS
Adam:Aubrey Solomon
BiSB:
Brian: The New New Jersey, Michigan
Ace: The wide receiver haul. DPJ is ridiculous, Black is a big-time possession receiver, Martin can’t be covered and catches everything, Hawkins is slept on, and Collins—if he drops—is a classic red zone threat. Collins is probably the one I’m least excited about and in most years he’d be the headliner.
Brian: It is without question the best WR haul in program history. The only comparable class is the Terrell/Walker class, which had #1 and #2 but nobody else.
David: There are many great individual choices, but I really love that Michigan cleaned up in-state in one of the better years in Michigan High School Football. AND the overall quality depth of the class. There are very good players at multiple positions that are not the best player Michigan got in that particular spot.
Seth: The thing about this class is the guys Michigan got early, with only a few exceptions, kept going up. The only significant drop since last summer is Dylan McCaffrey, and like, okay he's still a McCaffrey. Almost every complaint from the three-star mafia this year was nullified because the guy either drifted away (Lasater) or leaped up the rankings (St-Juste, Steuber, Vilain, Martin, Jeter...)
And I mean camp leaps, not "Michigan is interested we'd better upgrade him."
Brian: This is a minor point but I do love grabbing the top recruit from seven different states and/or Canadas.
Ace: And, rather incredibly, Solomon isn’t among that number. The state of Georgia had a stupid good crop this year.
BiSB: A lot of that is Don Brown's pull in the Northeast, which is nice to have.
Seth: Taking the most Big Ten West receiver ever out of Iowa is some small recompense for making me stand in the cold and eat a loss among a swarm of people I couldn't hate.
Brian: I could actually do with another Don Brown dude or two in the class. Like, I heard about Melifonwu and I was like "yes please." But that's more in the next category.
LEAST FAVORITE THING ABOUT THE CLASS
Ace: We’ve mostly covered this, but it’s the lack of a truly elite, ready-to-play offensive tackle.
Brian: Yep.
David: I really would have liked a SLAM DUNK TACKLE.
BiSB: Uh huh.
Seth: Like, is a 17-year-old, ready-to-order All Big Ten left tackle that too much to ask?
Brian: I'm gonna bold it too. Y U NO SHAQUILLE O'NEAL EXCEPT FOOTBALL? [Ed-Ace: Brian initially spelled it "O'Neill"]
BiSB: Technically Shaq was a rappist as well, so Brian is not allowed to spell his name correctly.
Brian: Very, very technically. Also, I didn't like losing AJ Dillon to BC.
Ace: Shaq was certified platinum! This is very on-topic.
BiSB: And relevant, given that the typo was fixed.
Seth: I guess if we can live one year with Mason Cole we could get Aussie Shaq Except Football next year.
Brian: That guy had a monster SPARQ score at 230 pounds and could easily have become the kind of YAC monster a fully functional Harbaugh offense thrives on.
Ace: If RB didn’t work out, he could’ve been a nice linebacker, too.
Brian: For that guy to sign up for death by TFL is sad.
Ace: Yeah, voluntarily signing up to play on BC’s offense is puzzling.
Brian: "I'm just gonna get up a nice head of steam here.... aaaaaaand it's gone."
BiSB: Dudes gettin' tackled right away by dudes.
Seth: At least they'll have to do a 30 for 30 when he goes 30 for 30.
Brian: Also in minor disappointments, no tight end is very un-dude.
BiSB: Did you see Aubrey Solomon blocking as a tight end? It could happen.
Brian: You just want to bring him up again.
BiSB: Well... yeah.
Ace: He pancaked a guy and then gave him a stern talking-to. The ref was too afraid to throw a flag. It's worth discussing.
David: AND he was still able to get free up the seam!
RANDOM THING YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BRING UP YET
Seth: I just finished the Aubrey Solomon video. Can we get this guy?
Ace: We haven’t mentioned the linebackers at all and we should mention the linebackers.
BiSB: Was just typing that.
Brian: Yeah, got some of those.
Ace: Drew Singleton had a chance to be a five-star before the ACL. He’s going to be a great ILB.
Seth: And you'd think signing the best player out of New Jersey would be a big deal.
David: It's really not getting old at all.
Ace: Jordan Anthony is right there, too. Plus they got a bigger version of James Ross in Josh Ross.
Brian: My thing is so you're a recruiting site. And you're looking at Dylan McCaffrey and maybe he's a little skinny and maybe he's not quite as impressive as some of the other guys right now. But his last name is McCaffrey, and he's going to be coached by Jim Harbaugh. Am I betting against that guy? I am not.
Being just outside the top 100 in the composite isn't a huge slight, I know. But I'm just sayin'.
Seth: That's basically where Gardner wound up. And Morris.
David: Also, I got stuck in a Homecoming parade route driving way out to see Phil Paea. So, if he turns out to be pretty good, that would be nice.
Ace: I’ll mention that I’m not super-enthused about Paea as a DT prospect but I think he could be a really good OG.
BiSB: But what about when Harbaugh leaves to coach the Browns or something
Seth: We're so excited about the WRs and got so worried about nose until Solomon came back around that we left out that they loaded up everywhere on the DL. If you wanted to find something similar between all of the serious title contenders this year they all had ridiculous DLs. We already brought up the 5-star nose, the Willie Henry except more ready, and the guy who reminds us of Taco. There's way more where that came from. Jeter, Irving-Bey and Malone-Hatcher alone would be a good DL haul.
Ace: Love the versatility of that group, too. Vilain should be an excellent WDE, Solomon a great nose, and everyone else can play at least two spots. CMH could be a WDE or SDE and the rest are SDE/3-tech types.
I should clarify that Solomon is a multi-spot guy, too. And Hudson is strong enough to play nose.
Seth: And rounded out by Kwity Paye, who could be a WDE or a Crable-like SAM.
BiSB: Any chance Don Brown can find some interesting ways to use those guys and Rashan Gary?
Ace:
BiSB: Aubrey Solomon.
Okay, now we can be done.
Brian: In conclusion, gentlemen, Harbaugh hates recruiting.